Additional Content Rules, Details, and Clarifications for 2015. These content guidelines / restrictions are in addition to the rules and etiquette guidelines here, and of course the terms of service.
Posting pics / videos (or links to media) of anyone who is not 18 or older is not permitted here.
This includes pics where there is no nudity.
Posting links to pics, videos, or to web sites where the age of majority is difficult to discern, or they fall below Nash’s trust rank of 80 is also not allowed.
People need to consider is that web sites can host nude pics of people who are not yet 18, and still be legal (even in the US). Just because a pic is legal, does not mean that it is allowed to be posted here.
How can you figure out if a web site, or the pics and videos within a section of a web site are within the 80-99 points or trust rank? It’s not an exact science, but here are some of the things I go through to determine these things.
First off, consider two types of web sites.
- Type 1 – Sites that only show content they produce.
Type 2 – Sites that allow other people to submit pics / videos.
The main big time porn production companies like Hustler, Playboy, Penthouse, Vivid, Wicked – those long in business, American based porn companies are a 99. Slightly smaller and newer US based porn groups like Bang Bros are normally around 98. Web sites that show only content they create, and are based in Europe, most get a 95 if they have “hardcore” pics and videos, (insertion / penetration). Web sites showing content only they produce, and are located in other places like Russia, take some more points off.
How does the average person know if the content / web site they are looking at is made in the USA, or elsewhere?
- It’s not always easy / possible.. but here are some things that are easy to check.
Is there a “2257 age statement” at the bottom of the page? If you click on it, does it say records are held in California, USA? Miami, Florida USA? the UK? Belize? Ukraine? Russia?
Is there a contact us / about us statement that shows a physical address?
Does the web site allow for user uploads?
Hustler’s Barely Legal might feature a bunch of teen nudes, but they only feature stuff from professional photographers that have submitted double age verification. Sites like facebook, and imgur, allow any Dick, Jane, or Harry to upload pics. When a place allows just about anyone to upload pics, there is more reason for scrutiny.
So you found a pic on an image sharing site, and it has a logo from a professional porn company – you might assume it is totally legit, but deeper digging may be needed.
A comment reply that shows some of this confusion:
… I tried to explain that the pics were form an 18+ site but he did not give me a chance to finish and banned me . Now it seems my nickname and ip address are banned. As I was trying to tell the moderator all pics are from 18+ sites. The name of the web site is Club *edited by admin *teen, but on the bottom of the page there is a disclaimer stating “All persons depicted in Club *****teen were over the age of 18 years at the time they were photographed or filmed.” If your overzealous moderator had let me get that disclaimer there would not be a problem. I don’t visit underage sites nor post pics from them…
– I can understand the confusion in this situation. I can see how each side of the equation may think they are right. Unfortunately the 2257 statement at club *****teen is written in a way that is not very clear to the end user in it’s statements. If you read their statement carefully, they basically say that any model who is pictured having sex, or masturbating is over 18 – but it leaves a hole wide open for models who are depicted in scenes where they are not engaged in hardcore penetration. It states and that any photos they have published that were taken before 1995 are not subject to 2257 – which is true, if they were based in the US – alas they are based in the Netherlands and not subject to any 2257 scrutiny anyway, but that does not mean or imply that all of the models featured on the web site are indeed over 18.
It is a tricky way they have written the statements there, and I can see how a web surfer may glance at it and think that they are making some kind of official over 18 statement. However their “official over 18 statement” is not official at all. I am sorry that you and possibly others may have been deceived by this. ~ Admin Nash
Many of the pics that are labeled as “teen porn” are professionally produced by legit companies, and it is easy to do a little research to know that the pics and videos of them that are out there are all over 18.
Reverse Image Search
If there is no name with the pics, you can do what is called a “reverse image search”. There are different ways to do this with a few different sites. I am not a fan of google’s (lack of) privacy practices, but one way is to use google’s image search feature. ( via https://images.google.com ) – now instead of typing a word into the search box, you can (click, hold) drag an image from a different browser window / tab and “drop it” into the search box there where you would normally type in words to search pictures.
Sometimes a reverse image search will bring up galleries of said unknown porn star. If these galleries are hosted at prominent legit places, it will often be obvious that he/she is a legit legal porn actor / actress. If a reverse image search only brings up a couple dozen sites that are user forums posts and crap like that, I would subtract trust points. If a reverse image search brings up no results, I subtract more points. Doing a reverse image search may lead you to a site that has the model’s name, which can lead you to more discovery.
– Doing a reverse image search on unknown pics could bring up results from some shady place – bad user forums and such. I do not recommend clicking on search results from places like “shady-forums-dump dot com” if you do not have current, up to date virus software running, and you will likely want to only open these in a “private browser window”. Sometimes it’s best to simply click to view a search engine’s cached page rather than clicking to the live web site itself. See additional warning at bottom of this post about agencies tracking your computer info at some of these sites also!
Name in Quotes Search
If there is a name next to the pics, you can go to a search engine (like duckduckgo.com ) and do a search with quotes around the name. Like: “Jasmine Lynn” Pornstar
That will likely bring up some sites and some pictures so you can see that indeed Jasmine has done a lot of professional porn, she has legit 2257s at many sites, a bio (with birth date) on the internet adult film database ( http://www.iafd.com/person.rme/perfid=JasmineLynne/gender=f/Jasmine-Lynn.htm ), all the jazz.
If people continue to post links to pics that are not from the top 10 known porn sites, we may start to require people to post the name of said person in the pics in order to more easily verify the age of the person in the pics / videos.
Payment processor as a clue.
If the site uses a payment processor for memberships that includes CCBill – then I generally add some trust points, as CCBill has been in the payment processing / porn game for a long time, and they have the ability to ask webmasters for age docs to prove things. CCBill is not going to be taking payments for sites that are hosting non-legal stuff. If the web site does not accept payments, or only allows payments through bitcoin – no added points there.
– If the site is showing a gallery (or just a pic) of a girl (or guy, ts, etc) with no insertion / penetration – they could be trying to be “legal” by promoting under age nudes as art.
I certainly will not list the names of the sites that are below my trust rank, and I can’t tell you the name of a couple of studios that really make me wonder what the hell they are doing. I will say that there are a couple of actors out there, one of which seems to shoot in the same two studios – where I am pretty dang sure at least some of the models they have filmed with have not had 21 candles on their cake. It’s disturbing to see some of these clips show up on some of the tube sites sometimes. It sucks that there is no good way for even us as adult webmasters to get some real verification.
Some people may assume that all pics on big sites are over 18, when in some cases they are featuring pics that are not, yet they are still legal. From what I understand of laws in the US, you can have nude pics of people without the whole 18 thing if they are not inserting something.
So you could be on a web site (or in a bookstore) and find nude images of people who are not yet 18 – and those images are legal. As longs as they are not being portrayed in an overtly sexual way (insertion, overly flirty / sexual poses). So yes you could find “technically legal” nudes on a site – and often times by the mix of other pics – you may not be aware that the images are against our rules.
I remember years ago when an artist I knew brought me to barnes and noble downtown and showed me books that featured very young girls photographed nude. She was talking about trying to recreate the art scene (the colors, the flowers, etc) – what shocked me was that these photos were showing well, let’s just say, I don’t think they had reached double digits yet. Anyhow, it was not an “erotic” or “sexualized” book, so there are images that can be published in places that are legal – but they are not yet 18 – and I think it’s not fair that some people are not aware of this.
These types of pics although may be legal are not allowed to be posted on our site
Parasite Sites / Collections / Out of Context Sexualization
Sites that collect and sexualize in ways that were not intended by those that were in the photos / videos. (even non-nude sites!)
Web sites that most often feature girls where it appears that images have been culled from places like facebook, and other networks. In most cases a girl posting a picture of her say cheerleading, or doing yoga at a beach or something. When surrounded by her other photos is obvious that she is not intending to sexualize the image. However some “parasite” web sites have been collecting the few sexy / semi-sexy images from lots of (mostly girls) and putting them together where it appears as large galleries of young girls in provocative situations. I think it’s obvious that the people in these pictures were not intending for their photos to be grouped together in such a sexualized way, and we will not be allowing people to promote these kinds of portals.
Sure these pics are legal, but we will not allow promotion of these kinds of collections.
This also applies to some of the GF revenge porn kind of web sites.
Don’t get wrong, a site like gfrevenge.com might try to make it look like revenge porn posts – but it’s a site from Reality Kings, and I am sure that they have gotten model releases and age IDs from every girl on the site. However web sites like “SubmitYourMom dot com” – I think it’s obvious they are not getting model releases and age docs from most of the pics there – and their 2257 statement states that they are not responsible for those, and the web site itself is not producing the content, it’s submitted by third parties.
Some sites blur these lines – it would be easy to take all the videos from homegrownvideo dot com – and put them on a web site called “ex-gf-revenge-hacked-phone-stolen-sex-videos-blahblah” and make it look like there are some young girls there who perhaps should not have had their videos posted – however if you look at the 2257 statement for homegrown videos, or any of their other sites, you will see that they have all the age records and model releases in San Diego California.
A recent research event:
Over the years I have had some people ask me about certain pics being linked to at a place, let’s just say it rhymes with “Nutty dot com” – I did some digging, and it appeared from clicking around that indeed many people were sharing pics from some of the lesser known teen models, but 90% of them I knew were from legit porn places. I did find a few of people that I did not recognize, and I noticed that most of those pics were only showing nudes – nothing hardcore (penetration / insertions) – so it appeared that this site was trying to keep everything legal. However recently I was sent some info about more pics people were sharing from there and some of them were indeed hardcore pics, and it appears that these are not available anywhere else on the net. This makes me very suspicious of the site, and the content they are hosting.
– I feel bad that many people are grossly unaware that there are some big, popular web sites sharing pics that many people believe are all over 18 – and yet many of the pics are not. I feel bad that many people are unaware that these can be legal, and yet not 18. I hope that people will do more research before assuming that just because some big, popular, slick looking, professional web site is hosting the pics that they are indeed over 18.
Kill, mame, cutting, snuff, etc
Maming, self mutilation, cutting, killing, dolcet, snuff, and crap like that – now banned completely, system wide.
Some of the content guidelines from the rules page:
How these will be applied to the forums and peeps public posting sections will need to be worked out.
Talking about sex involving anyone who is not 18 or older, even when reminiscing about your college sex days, or your first sexual experiences (if someone involved was not yet 18) is not allowed.
Phone numbers, social networking pages (Facebook, Myspace, etc), messenger IDs (yahoo, msn, aim, gtalk, skype, meebo, etc), and email addresses are not allowed in the publicly viewable areas.
Do not promote commercial or affiliated products, services, or websites, no public posting about other chat systems or porn sites.
Hate speech, religious topics, and political conversations are not permitted in the publicly viewable area or system generated chat rooms.
Edge-play / taboo terms (terms that are not well accepted in the mainstream world) are not allowed to be in the lobby. Certain discussions that may be tolerated in one room may be reason for a kick or ban in another room.
If your screen name may be offensive to a majority of people in a certain room, then you should not be there.
Abusive, forced sex, humiliation or rape like names or discussions are not allowed in the main rooms such as the lobby, and are only allowed in the forced sex fantasy room, a user created room, or perhaps the BDSM room, if others there at the time do not find offense to the discussion.
Any type of incest type of discussion is not permitted in any of the system created rooms aside from the family fun room.
Golden showers and the like are only permitted in the squirting room, or a user create room.
Coming into the Lesbian action room with a dick avatar, screen name that includes references to male genitalia or talking about dick / cock in the open room or via unwanted pms, will get you kicked or banned from the system. Same applies to anyone who would come into the gay / bisexual men chat room and start talking about female anatomy graphically and in the open room. This includes fictional names and terms like futa.
There are too many niche and fetish things to list here, but be aware that if you have a screen name, or engage in a discussion, or use an avatar that a majority of people in the chat room you are in find offensive, you should create your own room, or you may be asked to change, or be kicked / banned.
There are more details about screen name rules and more examples about chat room etiquette expectations on the main rules page. Please be aware of them.
There are things that you can not share here that are fine to share on places like facebook, there are things that we do not allow to be shared through the system here that you can find in a bookstore. There are places that have legal pics and videos that we do not allow people to share links to.
This post and these guidelines are not meant as any kind of legal advice. Laws vary from country to country, and in some cases state to state and even city to county / county to county within each state. There is no way I can provide info about each one, and you should check on your own local laws to see what you can find. From what I hear some places consider the “age of majority” to be 21 and there could be some technical stuff around that. Of course I know there are some countries that allow things to be sexual much lower than that, so even if something is legal in your area, that does not mean that we will allow it to be shared via our network.
There are plenty of hot girls sharing naked pictures these days that are all over 18. Let’s make sure that we only share those online. If you do not know the name of the person, and can not establish a legitimate way for us to verify that the images are produced by a trustworthy, valid 2257 age verification producer, then do not post those pics. This page, and these guidelines will be updated, with new terms, and more clarifications, likely several times. Like our rules and etiquette expectations, we welcome feedback, and will adapt these guidelines as needed to better server the community.
The rules and etiquette page published in 2009 lists several things that we do not allow to be discussed in our chat rooms, and some things that should not be discussed in the main system created chat rooms. This includes guidelines for taboo subjects and screen names. We are adding some new content restrictions, and providing some additional details to help everyone understand some of the old rules and adding some new ones. The content guidelines also apply in various ways to public posting in the forums and peeps sections.
Thank you for reading this info, we welcome thoughts and comments on ways we can make things clearer if needed. Suggestions always welcome here! I hope this info will help others surf safer.
Some Content Questions and Answers
Why do we allow some things many consider gross in some rooms? Read info here about added rules for edgy / taboo stuff.
I see a lot of niche fetishes in some of the main system rooms, are these discussions or screen names supposed to be in the lobby or fam fun room?
Should FUTA names and RP / discussions be allowed in the Fam Fun Room, or the lesbian room?
Futa should be in the ts/tg room – maybe the bi sexual / tri-sexual room, or a user created sideroom.
Futa should not be in the lesbian chat room, as the name is associated with imagery of a cock.
beasty costume play should not be in the fam room, or most other system standard rooms.. perhaps a random roleplay room needs to be made..
k9 – def should not be in any of the main system rooms – sideroom only
More clarifications will be added here as specific things are brought up.
Update Jan 30 2015
This page, the rules page, and the kicked banned from the chat page have been updated. Synopsis in a new blog post here: http://www.sexchatsexchat.com/blog/2015/rules-etiquette-update-1-30-2015/
User “LOL” asked “People’s nicknames are being rejected on a room-to-room basis. If their nickname doesn’t match what the room is for, they’re being booted out, regardless if they’re in that room for that fetish or not” – Answer with an examples (including names “MasterMike” and “MasterRapeYourWorthlessblahblah” here.
examples were updated, including :
Abusive, forced sex, humiliation or rape like names or discussions are not allowed in the main rooms such as the lobby, and is only allowed in the forced sex fantasy room, a user created room, or perhaps the BDSM room, if others there at the time do not find offense to the discussion.
There is some grey area here with screen names – help!
Names like these should only be in a bdsm or forced sex type of room (not in lobby, les room, ffr, etc)
kick my balls
degrade me please
Virgin wants to be abused
Treat you like meat
piece of shit whore for dom m
Ram your cunt
Names like these may be okay in the lobby type rooms, but if your open discussions, or unasked for pms included taboo terms, then you may be kicked or banned.
slaveboyslave here for use
A vicious Man
Deeply Depraved Master
Sick Fucking Pervert
added to rules page 1-30-2015: If you send private messages to people that include edge play / taboo terms and they did not ask for those types of message, you may be permanently banned from the system.